如何推翻ACS的结果？？？

seraph77

Peter回信了。

The assessor notes read – ‘no evidence of C MODL in references provided’.



The decision is final, and all you can do in an attempt to overturn the decision, is to lodge an appeal application with more detailed references regarding your C MODL nomination thanks.

说我的推荐信不能证明我的C语言开发经历。推翻的唯一途径是给出更加详细的资料。

写一下我的project desc 套路：
XXX module integration. This project based on Vxworks OS, used C language, and its objective was integrating compiling of XXX code developed by AAA company to our project. This project was mainly completed by Mr ...

基本就这样。项目名称，开发环境，开发语言C语言，项目简述，某人的责任。。
难道太简略了？

siyzhu

关注。和你的工作经历差不多。

relucent-time

看来唯一的途径就是上诉了.

可以考虑用如下
1.先综合介绍main duties
2.按照时间把你参与的项目列出，
感觉这个VO对reference的要求比较高。有必要再细化一下项目，比如说介绍一下每个项目的各功能模块，最重要的是突出你在项目中做了哪些具体的工作，比如本人使用XXX语言开发了XXX模块，使用XXX进行编译，调试，参与了单元测试，集成测试，在测试中用到XXX工具。如果时间充裕，可以把项目的软件架构图，已经硬件部署图都一并提供
3.还有你的推荐信最好用公司信头纸，还有推荐人的亲笔签字，最好附加名片

我想上诉问题应该不是很大，但是要多发信push，因为上诉的时间也不短，以上是我个人评估的经验，仅供参考

relucent-time

Employer references
In order for the ACS to assess whether an applicant is in a skilled occupation acceptable for skills assessment purpose, the applicant must provide detailed and descriptive employer references highlighting his/her expertise in the claimed specialisation.

These must be on company letterhead and include the job title, detailed job description and precise dates of employment.

重点！！！They should also clearly state whether employment was full or part-time along with demonstrated levels of competence with any computer languages, the various types of hardware and software used and the extent of involvement with any major projects.

Letters of appointment or contracts are not accepted.

References covering a minimum of four (4) or six (6) years full-time equivalent are recommended. (see Current Guidelines).

Part-time experience may be included on a pro-rata basis if the applicant can demonstrate that they have been employed for a minimum of 20 hours/week.

Full-time experience is defined as 38 hours or more per week.

Applicants applying under Skills Assessment may also be requested by the Assessor to provide the Project Report (8KB -doc) at the assessor's discretion.

seraph77

嗯，没办法只能这样搞了
打算把项目的详细描述都写上。附上模块结构图，数据流图，和数据结构设计。
反正我手里有我们的High Level Design document。
NND，不写篇小论文他不让我痛快。
我想问一下，详细的项目信息是写在reference letter 比较好，还是写在自己的申诉信里比较好呢
我打算提交这些材料： 申诉信一封，reference letter 若干。是否还有必要自己写一下自己的工作描述呢，感觉跟简历有点冲突，但是简历里也不会写什么high lever design啊。。。。

TtiGeR

主要是申诉信- -b

seraph77

修改后的项目描述之一如下，请高手给点意见。NND ，我非把他们弄晕。

1.        NFCB control module development. NFCB is New Fan Control Board, which controls the fan in GSM Base Transmission Station produced by Huawei Technology. In the base station, we have a board named TMU( Timeslot Management Unit) to control the other boards of base station and assign timeslot of E1 which transmits data from the Base Station Controller(BSC). In telecom scene, BSC is placed in the agent of telecom companies, one BSC in one city, maybe. And Base Stations are placed anywhere there are customers. Every base station can cover 3-10 km radius, which you can adjust by change the angle of the antenna. The duty of our group is on the software development in the TMU. We write codes to assign the behavior of the TMU, response to the command sent from the BSC, and process them, such as CPU resource report, fan temperature report, cell assignment.( Cell is a abstract conception in GSM, simply speaking, it is an group of channels. Every users should occupy channel resources when they are making calls or sending messages). And I and Mr. Samuel were all in this group. In this project, Mr. Samuel should negotiate the messages types and format with both BSC developers and NFCB hardware developers. He should write functions to process the commands from BSC with C language, of course, because our TMU development use C language completely in its software, and use PSOS as its operating system. Mr. Samuel should analysis the commands, and send messages in HEX to the NFCB board. In this project his duty referred Requirement Discusstion (Some requirement from our customers can be satisfied while some can’t for reasons of our software architecture or something else), Data structure Design (In order to process the new commands properly, we must define some new structure types), Coding with C, Unit Test (As our regular, everyone must do Unit Test about his/her codes before check in), United Test with Product Analysis Department and at last if there are something wrong in customers environment, he should do some support. The simple software architecture of our board is as following. What Mr. Samuel must do are adding analysis of new messages types in the TMU MAIN TASK, adding procedures in the Applications such as collecting information, writing/reading to FLASH, making new messages, and send them to the corresponding drivers such as HDLC driver or E1 driver. All about these are implemented with C language because our flash memory is only 4M bytes, we can’t accept the binary files compiled with C++ or Java because they are usually too big. Actually in most boards’ development of our products, we use C language.

relucent-time

内容可以,但是你把你的主要职责一条一条列清楚。

1.项目介绍：
a.背景
b.模块
2.主要职责
a.
b.
c.

为了安全起见我建议你再做几个主要项目的project report，把架构图都放进去，当然还是要突出你用C做了什么。

内容不怕重复，关键是让VO找不到错误

希望其他高手补充

MillerYang

大块大块地看着挺累。。。建议精简并分段侧重描述一下

光辉岁月的骨架很清晰，再加个开发工具列表吧

relucent-time

同意米版，开发工具列表也是很重要的

siyzhu

原帖由 seraph77 于 9-12-2009 17:08 发表

                               
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修改后的项目描述之一如下，请高手给点意见。NND ，我非把他们弄晕。

1.        NFCB control module development. NFCB is New Fan Control Board, which controls the fan in GSM Base Transmission Station produced  ...

我和你是同道中人啊，继续关注你的申诉结果。

ubuntuhk

你这是把事情搞复杂了，VO不一定是专业人士，根本看不懂你写的这些具体描述。

你的问题在于申请的时候把reference letter写得太简单了，你申请的是C语言类，你看看你的项目介绍里只提到“used C language, ”，这很难说服不太专业的VO相信你的主要职责是C语言开发。

而你这段项目描述就更加把VO搞糊涂了，你描述了一大堆和C语言开发没有太大关系的项目背景介绍，对你的申述没有太大的帮助。

光辉岁月给的建议不错，关键是要简洁明了地介绍你的项目背景，重点突出你在项目中的角色和如何使用C语言，设计的开发工具、架构等。

太具体的项目内容千万不要写进去，VO每天要审阅几十份申请，根本没时间看。

seraph77

LS说的有理。但是怎么说服他我用的是C语言呢。
单板开发多数都是用的很大路货的编辑工具，例如sourceinsight, 又或者slickedit, 有时候甚至直接用ultraedit 或者vi。
编译工具的话，我用gnu？ 我若是加入一堆gnu的描述，似乎又走偏了。
visual C++那是从来不用的。不能写。
调试工具更是基本只有printf而已。生成一些map文件直接用脚本perl。
很难讲清楚啊。
这不是说用java开发就用eclipse，做windows api就用VC++或者borland，又或者做数据库的就用oracle。。。
做c语言嵌入式开发，用啥？用啥都行。。。我们的project只不过是一堆makefile链起来的松散的文本而已。用记事本都可以。。我常用。
从编辑，到编译到调试，都是没有定规的。。。也没有行业公认的代表性工具，让人家一看就是做C的，那没有。行业公认的C编辑工具，大概只有turbo C吧。。。。用这个可能会被直接打回来，还没出校门吧你。。
我咋办，不把他弄晕，咋办。。

seraph77

在项目中如何使用了C语言……
我使用C语言，写了一个task，建立了俩socket，实现了一个协议。
他莫非会问你怎么证明你写这个task用的是C语言而不是别的。。。那我还是要晕菜。
PSOS和VXWORKS一般只是配合C语言和汇编开发的吧，C++都很少夹进去，VO若是对这里俩小众的操作系统不熟悉，没概念，那我还是挺郁闷的。咋说呢？

siyzhu

同情。我和你一样，做的东西都差不多，用的软件也一样。 还不知道出什么结果呢。

Yok

我这么写的

Project Name - short description

Languages: C# / JavaScript

Platform: .NET 1.1

Role: Team Leader

Duration: 2006.1 ~ 2007.5

Responsibility: Design / Coding

seraph77

忽然有点回过神来，因为我都是在单板上做开发，他们不会以为我是属于EE的吧。。。

lilac227

是不是这种情况只能lodge an appeal application ,而不能重新再一次申请评估了啊

seraph77

修改了一下项目描述，还是很多，但是我尽力把项目描述的清楚些，毕竟是要求申诉，写全点比写少点好吧。唉
下面是4个项目描述之一：

1.        SSH module integration. This project lasts about 9 months, from July 2007 to March 2008, and Mr. Seraph77 implements several functions coding with C to porting the SSH module into our main task. SSH is a Secure Shell Protocol (RFC4251) which used to encrypt the IP packet to avoid monitoring and attack. SSH module originally is an OpenSource project named OpenSSL, which is implemented with C language and can run in many platforms, mainly UNIX. A company named TeamF1 packs the OpenSSL and sells their product to AAA Company. The object of this project is porting the code from TeamF1 to the controller board. Our product is a box which is flexible to adapt many scenarios for small companies. The scenario of our product is as following:

This project is to adding a new way to access our box. Before this project, we can use TELNET and RS232 to connect to the box and manage it. When Mr. Seraph77’s work is done, we can use SSH to access it.
In this product, as a software engineer specializing in C, Mr. Seraph77’s work is as following:
1)        Implement interface between the main task and SSH task with C. Mr. Seraph77 adds a separate task in the Vxworks operating system coding with C language to complete the communication between our main task and the SSH task.
2)        Implement functions to do data transfer with C. The data flow of this project is as following:


External server <-------->SSH task <----------> Mr. Seraph77‘s task <---->Main task


Mr. Seraph77 adds a task. In his task, Mr. Seraph77 reads data from the SSH task using a socket, and writes the data into our main task using TFTP protocol. The Mr. Seraph77’s task is coding with C language.

3)        Implement the TTY facility and file transfer facility with C. In the step2, Mr. Seraph77 has transferred the data to the main task, but it’s not over because the main task isn’t the destination. There are two types of data for the External server, one is TTY, which is like a command window and need to maintain a session between the server and our card, and the other type is file, which may be a new version image of our card which we want to download from the server. As following:


|---------> version download--------> Flash writing
|
Main task----|
                                                        |------->session maintain-------> our command table

So Mr. Seraph77 also adds a function to adjust the file download and adds some new commands into the command table for the SSH using. Everything is coding with C language.
        4) After coding with C, Mr. Seraph77 also does the Unit test and bug fixing.


This project based on Vxworks OS, used C language. To finish this product, Mr. Seraph77 uses following tools:
1)        SourceInSight3.5 for code editing.
2)        Cygwin and Tornado2.00 for compling.
3)        Tera Term, Putty, cmd.exe of windows and SecureCRT as the remote terminal monitor.
4)        Wincvs for code merging and release management.
5)        Ethereal for IP packet catching
6)        Debug tools is also supplied by Tornado 2.00, but we usually prefer using printf() to do this.

seraph77

看了这些，该相信我至少是个写C的了吧。。。。
除了这个，另外三个项目也是差不多的套路

seraph77

两份reference letter 活活写了4000多个word，每份5页纸 ，NND，要是申请IEA的话，我估计两晚上就能憋出9000个word的CDR

MillerYang

经历每个工具都带上版本号。。。

另外，有没有用到一些第三方的类库、sdk什么的也可以写上

飞天雪狐

路过帮顶！

seraph77

没写版本号的，是的确忘了。。。。
sdk是不用的。。。协议栈和lib是vxworks自带的。。。
要写么？
IP Stack and Lib are supplied by Vxworks
Lib没什么特殊的，无非就是stdio.h socket.h那一套啦，没什么特有的名字啦，什么MFC,STL之类的威风霸气名字。。这旮瘩好像真没有。。

fadongle

太长了没看完，不过lz的情况是不是重新评估比较好呢？毕竟改了那么多的推荐信和简历，给人的感觉是被据是因为自己准备不足而不是co的问题。
当初我第一次的acs评估也没有得到想要的结果，我当时就打电话给负责我case的co(打电话去让前台转)，co的意思是，我提供的材料不足以证明我有所申请职业的足够经验，并建议我提供新的材料然后重新评估。lz不妨也联系co试试。

没有appeal过，没有发言权。

hetty1006

补充一个其它细节
你在公司的职位名称是啥？
名片上是啥？
我的描述和你差不多，完全通过啊
我在每封推荐信开始都有:
XXXX worked in our company as (Senior) J2EE(Java) Engineer on a fulltime base。
我的提名职业就是J2EE嗯
而且每封Reference Letter 我都加盖了单位公章 人事章

lilac227

那重新评估的话，会受前一次评估结果的影响吗

seraph77

我写了职位啊 ,但我们的职位就是SW Engineer.名片上的。
因为我们做的东西是C语言，但又是VOIP产品上的IP协议栈相关开发，又属于嵌入式开发。
叫啥都不太合适。。

seraph77

联系过PETER，第二天就给回复了。
答案同顶楼。。。
你唯一推翻这个结果的途径，就是提供更加详细的C语言开发经历证明。

seraph77

唉，现在面试的时候人家都不问我C语言啦。因为C语言已经不是问题了。。。
可是要证明自己做了几年C语言开发，还不太好讲呢。。。